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by **rick752** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:14 pm

Well ... that's ok with me then

by **Wladimir Palant** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:48 pm

rick752 wrote:The downside is that most element hides are "site specific" English-speaking domains ... which does little for,say, a strictly German-language user.

German users get to English-language sites occasionally, and even if not - no harm is done by rules that aren't being used.

by **rick752** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:47 pm

Adblock Plus Fan wrote:But in the end they can still be used for data mining the user. I'm not so sure if it's something that should be ignored.

IMDB tried something similar. It really isn't as easy as it sounds. It would also mean that a site would have to put everything in the same directory structure. What webmaster would want that disorganized mess to deal with?

by **Adblock Plus Fan** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:32 pm

Ares2 wrote:That's not our business IMO.

But in the end they can still be used for data mining the user. I'm not so sure if it's something that should be ignored.

by **Ares2** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:54 pm

Adblock Plus Fan wrote:Say if I got paid per view, I could redirect the ads into long and obscure addresses in the blockable items list, and make my relevant content masquerade in a similar manner, hiding the tree in the forest so to speak.
Then abusing one of the numerous general element hiding rules in easyelement to avoid the radar, this isn't impossible or unthinkable.

If you (as a webmaster) trick the advertisers, what do I (as a filter list maintainer) care? :twisted:

That's not our business IMO.

Wladimir Palant wrote:you would need to update that "whitelist Google ads" topic to tell people which filters to disable but that's not a real reason

The problem is that other general hiding rules could apply to a parent element (i.e. whole column with Google ads hidden by #*(div^=leftads) ). It wouldn't be as easy any more to allow them (all).

by **rick752** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:22 pm

Adblock Plus Fan wrote:And unleash the wrath of the Easylist?

Lol

I always cross bridges only when I come to them. Plans like that can backfire on a site too. ;-)

by **Adblock Plus Fan** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:08 pm

Ares2 wrote:Well, if somebody wants to work around ad-blocking, he will avoid getting the ads hidden too.

And unleash the wrath of the Easylist?

Say if I got paid per view, I could redirect the ads into long and obscure addresses in the blockable items list, and make my relevant content masquerade in a similar manner, hiding the tree in the forest so to speak.
Then abusing one of the numerous general element hiding rules in easyelement to avoid the radar, this isn't impossible or unthinkable.

by **Ares2** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:17 pm

Adblock Plus Fan wrote:If we have to get technical, what if the website in question uses the redirecting trick to cheat ABP and make the 3rdparty ads appear in the form of harmless/relevant 1st party content in the blockable items list?

Well, if somebody wants to work around ad-blocking, he will avoid getting the ads hidden too. ;-)

by **rick752** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:38 am

People have reasons .... but I couldn't actually give any to you. But I'm sure some will come up here afterwards

Not that I really care because if you don't like the way the subscription is presented, then make your own

. No one forces you to use any particular subscription ;-)

I agree that it would be nice for everything to be bundled in one subscription for the average user. This might also make it easier for supplemental authors because there are some good general hides already in the list that the author won't have to deal with.

***EDIT:

The downside is that most element hides are "site specific" English-speaking domains ... which does little for,say, a strictly German-language user.

by **Wladimir Palant** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:11 am

What would be the reasons?

(yes - you would need to update that "whitelist Google ads" topic to tell people which filters to disable but that's not a real reason)

by **rick752** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:07 am

I guess i have another question about that.
What if users simply don't want/need the element-hiding rules?

by **Adblock Plus Fan** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:11 am

Wladimir Palant wrote:an automatically generated version of EasyList with all element hiding rules removed?

I'd be fine with this.

by **Wladimir Palant** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:13 am

Ok, what if I make an automatically generated version of EasyList with all element hiding rules removed? It wouldn't be advertised anywhere, other than in a comment in EasyList maybe.

To lessen the confusion was exactly my idea. Right now you can have four different combinations with Rick's subscriptions only, that's just too much.

by **Adblock Plus Fan** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:08 pm

Ares2 wrote:If it's an adserver or an adpath, it will stand out in the blockable items list anyway.

Yeah, but what if I happened to be brain dead around that time and somehow miss it

I would need all the obviousness I could get.

If we have to get technical, what if the website in question uses the redirecting trick to cheat ABP and make the 3rdparty ads appear in the form of harmless/relevant 1st party content in the blockable items list?
With Element hiding rules turned off, I would be able to bust them right away, easily.

Ares2 wrote:If it's just some first party images that are already hidden, why do you want to block them then (except for some KBytes less to download, it doesn't make a difference for the user)?

For my personal ad blocking rules, I always consider 1st party ads case by case.
There will always be exceptions in either directions, and I just want to make sure I can do the job in the way I feel is best.

In any case, I don't mind a merger, for example on this page:

It would probably lessen some confusion if you merged them there and reduced it to one choice only rather than 3 choices.
I'd be fine as long as you still kept a separated copy of the two lists somewhere on your http://easylist.adblockplus.org/ site

by **Ares2** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:49 pm

rick752 wrote:It is actually not much of an issue considering that ABP recommends the 'combo' subscription of both anyway, and the EasyElement is now included with other EasyList combo-subscriptions.

So it's just a matter of time until most users have it. I think it's better to change it now instead of waiting for it to happen.

Adblock Plus Fan wrote:Say I'm about to fix some Swedish site for my list, what do I do if Easyelement is hiding content that I was supposed to block?

If it's an adserver or an adpath, it will stand out in the blockable items list anyway. If it's just some first party images that are already hidden, why do you want to block them then (except for some KBytes less to download, it doesn't make a difference for the user)? Just curious.

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